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In Reply to: Luke 13:3,5 and Universalism posted
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: Jesus own words in Luke 13:3 and 5 are very clear, he states "that except you repent, you shall all likewish perish"::This statement of Jesus is simple - there are two states or conditions of mankind - repentence and non-repentence or impenitence. Jesus warns that those who stay in impenitence will perish.
::The greek word for "will perish" is 2nd person plural future indicative middle. The correct translation is "a future action (of perishing) will occur inside (this is what middle voice indicates) the persons (plural 2nd person) who do not repent.
::I don't know how much clearer this can be written. Jesus is warning about falling into a heart condition of impenitence towards God and then perishing (and the Greek word for perishing means a state of destruction)Luke 19:10--For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Isn't it interesting that Luke, the same author as you quoted used the same word, "apollumi," there translated "will perish," and here translated "was lost." Here this verb is in the perfect tense, a completed action. Jesus said He came to SAVE those who HAVE BEEN LOST, or to translated it in accord with chapter 13, to save those who HAVE ALREADY PERISHED.
So much for your insistence that the state of one who has PERISHED is irremedial!
Jesus came to save the lost - the destroyed - the perished. How much clearer can it be, indeed?